Last weekend, Tim and I did our registry. It wasn't the first try; it's probably more like the third. The first time was painful, because I was having a hard time articulating my vision for our lives. The last time I just gave in -- I don't like this form of gift giving, but people are going to give us gifts anyway, we might as well give them some guidance as to our tastes and preferences. Tim was amazingly supportive, reminding me of what I wanted in terms of materials (i.e. minimum of plastic and other disposable materials), and we made awesome teamwork that day.
I am going to share with you the links to our registries. Internet: Do NOT buy us any gifts. I will be extremely displeased. If you want to give us blessings, do -- letters, pictures, memories, wishes, prayers, hopes and dreams. But I am not putting this up as a Gimme, I'm putting these links up as an illustration of the struggles I'm having.
http://www.alternativegiftregistry.o rg/view_registry_public.php?registry_uid=2 927
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/regGift Registry.asp?order_num=-1&wrn=-951894458
http://www3.jcpenney.com/jcp/GR2_Regist ryList_View.aspx?storeRegNo=00182828&CmCatId=58824
Tim and I are now providing his very generous Aunt with a guest list for the wedding shower she's going to throw for us in May. I'm guessing that the attendance at this shower will be about 50 people -- which is about half of our guest list for the wedding. These 50 people will be obliged to, by the rules of etiquette, buy us two gifts: one for the shower, and one for the reception. Then another 50-75 people will buy us a single gift for the reception. Some of the wedding party may even buy a third gift; it's hard to say. And then whatever extravagant gesture our parents may choose to make, on TOP of bankrolling these celebrations. This means that there will probably be a presentation of about 60 gifts (Assuming 175 people, average family/party size of 3... fuzzy math.)
I am most happy with the Alternative Gift Registry. With that, we were able to list the dishes we like for a steep (40%) discount through the manufacturer, and also ask for things that really matter to us. I consider myself a story teller. I absolutely want to know the story of our families as deeply as possible -- and this is a perfect time to ask about them. The births of our children will also be a good opportunity. I hope lots of people take us up on that.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is this: Tim and I are trying, struggling, one step forward two steps back working on a financial plan for our lives. Attempting to declutter my space, I came across a list from our first forays into the subject. (Decluttering and simplifying being one of my values for our lives together, first of all. Also taking our STUFF off of our parent's hands.)
Twenty-Five Year Goals Based on Values
Adventure: Visit two other Continents
Fulfillment: Masters Degree; written a novel
Security: 1-3 Year Emergency Fund; Own home
Comfort: Live below our means; a not-so-big house; part of a community
Charity: Be a named donor to something, or be able to work for a good cause for free
Novelty: be a local connoisseur: wines, beers, vegetables, cheeses, restaurants
Family: Pay for part of our children's college educations/have 2-4 well educated kids; Be on good terms with our extended families
Intellectual Growth: Sailing/Skipper; Masters Degree
Health: Have good health stats without meds
Love: Still coming up with new ways to show affection
Some of these values of mine, some of them are Tim's, and in the end I think it's fair to say that we share them. Some of them may be fueled by the current recession, but some of them are lofty goals that transcend the recession and deal with being a steward of the earth -- which can be a religious concept, but is also about being a conscious consumer.
NONE of this stuff that costs money on our registry means much in terms of our values and goals for life. Yes, people want to help us get started in life -- yes, some of this stuff we "need" (Tim and I don't have a two-person adult bed yet, for example, so the bedding is particularly useful) -- but I would be perfectly happy if it came from a thrift store. If it was clean and without holes, and second hand, I would be ECSTATIC -- because it meant that it was also within our values (Which, at least for me, includes reducing our consumption impact.)
We purposefully chose not to register for any plastic storage containers. We purposefully did not register for nylon/plastic utensils. We tried to pick items that fit within our values that way -- but...
I think that, within the traditional marriage trope? I would be inconsiderate to be so picky, which is amazingly hypocritical because it is extremely picky to have a registry. I don't want stuff. There are other ways to help us set up our partnership -- our marriage. And I don't mean just gifts of money. Offers to help move us. Offers to invite us over for dinner to talk, to make sure we're not stuck in our little early marriage heads. Demands that we hold dinner parties, also to make sure we're not stuck in our little marriage heads.
Registries and the accompanying consumerism are a low emotional transaction-cost way of providing "community" in this day and age. But I want and crave a real community -- real support for our marriage, a place where we can discuss our relationship issues and not sweep them under the rug. (No, Mom and Dad -- nothing is wrong. We're not fighting about money, we're not confused about the reality of adulthood and partnerships and intimancy.)Real community, where money doesn't equal love. Where money doesn't equal support. A place where neighbors really do help each other out. Where spirituality and relationships are open and honest conversations. Where neighbors talk every day.
And we're quite possibly heading towards this scary eventuality -- what if the oil runs out? What if the economy really does seriously collapse (this is especially a possibility in Michigan). How would we cope? Cutting boards would not do me so well in that context -- but promises to share dinners then would.
I am going to share with you the links to our registries. Internet: Do NOT buy us any gifts. I will be extremely displeased. If you want to give us blessings, do -- letters, pictures, memories, wishes, prayers, hopes and dreams. But I am not putting this up as a Gimme, I'm putting these links up as an illustration of the struggles I'm having.
http://www.alternativegiftregistry.o
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/regGift
http://www3.jcpenney.com/jcp/GR2_Regist
Tim and I are now providing his very generous Aunt with a guest list for the wedding shower she's going to throw for us in May. I'm guessing that the attendance at this shower will be about 50 people -- which is about half of our guest list for the wedding. These 50 people will be obliged to, by the rules of etiquette, buy us two gifts: one for the shower, and one for the reception. Then another 50-75 people will buy us a single gift for the reception. Some of the wedding party may even buy a third gift; it's hard to say. And then whatever extravagant gesture our parents may choose to make, on TOP of bankrolling these celebrations. This means that there will probably be a presentation of about 60 gifts (Assuming 175 people, average family/party size of 3... fuzzy math.)
I am most happy with the Alternative Gift Registry. With that, we were able to list the dishes we like for a steep (40%) discount through the manufacturer, and also ask for things that really matter to us. I consider myself a story teller. I absolutely want to know the story of our families as deeply as possible -- and this is a perfect time to ask about them. The births of our children will also be a good opportunity. I hope lots of people take us up on that.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is this: Tim and I are trying, struggling, one step forward two steps back working on a financial plan for our lives. Attempting to declutter my space, I came across a list from our first forays into the subject. (Decluttering and simplifying being one of my values for our lives together, first of all. Also taking our STUFF off of our parent's hands.)
Twenty-Five Year Goals Based on Values
Adventure: Visit two other Continents
Fulfillment: Masters Degree; written a novel
Security: 1-3 Year Emergency Fund; Own home
Comfort: Live below our means; a not-so-big house; part of a community
Charity: Be a named donor to something, or be able to work for a good cause for free
Novelty: be a local connoisseur: wines, beers, vegetables, cheeses, restaurants
Family: Pay for part of our children's college educations/have 2-4 well educated kids; Be on good terms with our extended families
Intellectual Growth: Sailing/Skipper; Masters Degree
Health: Have good health stats without meds
Love: Still coming up with new ways to show affection
Some of these values of mine, some of them are Tim's, and in the end I think it's fair to say that we share them. Some of them may be fueled by the current recession, but some of them are lofty goals that transcend the recession and deal with being a steward of the earth -- which can be a religious concept, but is also about being a conscious consumer.
NONE of this stuff that costs money on our registry means much in terms of our values and goals for life. Yes, people want to help us get started in life -- yes, some of this stuff we "need" (Tim and I don't have a two-person adult bed yet, for example, so the bedding is particularly useful) -- but I would be perfectly happy if it came from a thrift store. If it was clean and without holes, and second hand, I would be ECSTATIC -- because it meant that it was also within our values (Which, at least for me, includes reducing our consumption impact.)
We purposefully chose not to register for any plastic storage containers. We purposefully did not register for nylon/plastic utensils. We tried to pick items that fit within our values that way -- but...
I think that, within the traditional marriage trope? I would be inconsiderate to be so picky, which is amazingly hypocritical because it is extremely picky to have a registry. I don't want stuff. There are other ways to help us set up our partnership -- our marriage. And I don't mean just gifts of money. Offers to help move us. Offers to invite us over for dinner to talk, to make sure we're not stuck in our little early marriage heads. Demands that we hold dinner parties, also to make sure we're not stuck in our little marriage heads.
Registries and the accompanying consumerism are a low emotional transaction-cost way of providing "community" in this day and age. But I want and crave a real community -- real support for our marriage, a place where we can discuss our relationship issues and not sweep them under the rug. (No, Mom and Dad -- nothing is wrong. We're not fighting about money, we're not confused about the reality of adulthood and partnerships and intimancy.)Real community, where money doesn't equal love. Where money doesn't equal support. A place where neighbors really do help each other out. Where spirituality and relationships are open and honest conversations. Where neighbors talk every day.
And we're quite possibly heading towards this scary eventuality -- what if the oil runs out? What if the economy really does seriously collapse (this is especially a possibility in Michigan). How would we cope? Cutting boards would not do me so well in that context -- but promises to share dinners then would.

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Shopping is fun. Buying presents is fun. Buying something you know will be loved, even more fun. I don't think its a replacement for community. It's an interesting exercise that a lot of us enjoy.
I see what you mean, and it's great that you live on such a deep emotional level! But honey, don't do what I did and forget to have fun and live in the moment with EVERYTHING that comes from your wedding. Enjoy it, because you won't be doing it again. ^_^
At the same time, I feel really, really grateful to have the ability to make my registries. One thing I never, ever thought about until I moved out and Read and I began to live together was just how much stuff cost, and how much of that stuff we needed to run our lives on a day-to-day basis. Even silly things like sheets, or cutting boards, were expenses that were hard for me to pay for, considering I also have student loan debt, grad school tuition, and "real world" bills to pay for, so that knowledge that so many people will be helping me kick-start my married life by removing the stress of having to get these things is something I v. much appreciate. Now, any monetary gifts we receive, we can put in a savings account towards owning a house.
Being part of an extended circle that is generous in the first place, I think, is where the invites to dinner and the parties and the advice will come from--I never felt like these were things I needed to specifically request. But I do need cutting boards.
In the "old days", you didn't need registries. Your community (the one you're longing for, by the way) would get together and figure out all the stuff you needed in order to start your household, and give it to you all at once, together. Since they were your community, they already knew your preferences, your style, your likes and dislikes, and so they didn't need to ask you.
Today, our communities are far more far-flung and distant. Your community doesn't know you nearly as well. But they know that they care for you and Tim, and that there are things you will need in order to set up housekeeping together. And, besides those needs, it's always nice to have some luxuries as well. The registry helps people who don't see you every day to know what you need and what you like --- and perhaps, most importantly, to make sure that you don't end up with eight crockpots and no frying pan.
Some of this is the benefit of age and experience. You may wonder why someone would choose to give you this particular gift ... and then years from now, the usefulness of that gift will become manifestly apparent. And you'll be grateful. But right now, you can't see it.
It is always a little difficult and uncomfortable to be the recipient of grace. But if this kind of gratitude makes you uncomfortable, don't forget the greatest gift of grace you have received from our Father in heaven.
Luckily, I have a few months to find out what that something is...
I was planning on making you something anyway. Nothing against registries, since they do help out with things you need, but I figured it would be more personal that way.
A wedding I attended in May, of a young Quaker couple I lived with during my internship, absolutely demanded no gifts and their explanation of why was remarkably similar to what you've posted above. All they requested of their guests was to bring an organic food of some kind for their potluck reception, and your happy blessings.
I attended church the other day (i know, whatz?!), because I also am in search of community, and the sermon was on simplifying our lives. Something I have be contemplating ever since leaving CA, and figuring out what that means for my daily life now, as well as in the future.
Long story short: you are definitely not alone.
This is just the first statement (the opening salvo, if you will) in a much larger vision for my adult life. Decluttering, simplifying, living an examined life is all part of it as well. But also ENJOYING life. I feel as if our parents have been poor role models in that aspect of human existence. Also not being so totally and utterly ALONE in our world -- so unintentionally self-centered and judgemental. (Have you read this essay? It's FABULOUS: http://www.marginalia.org/dfw_kenyon_co
I think a lot of my other commenters missed this statement: "NONE of this stuff that costs money on our registry means much in terms of our values and goals for life." Yeah, people want to buy us gifts -- but gifts themselves are not the end goal of life. Stuff is not the end goal of life. I wish that people would help us reach our goals, in material and non material ways. Buy us classes! A home owners class to be redeemed at another time, or something. I don't know. I don't need matching plates, even if they are awesome. Also, the assumption that gifts must be NEW.
I feel kind of helpless in the face of my mom's and my family's expectations, you know?
Edited at 2009-03-31 04:46 pm (UTC)
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Do you see the bigger picture, though? ♥
Trying to find a community though? That I can wrap my head around, I think. It's something that really frustrates me in Adrian, which is part of the reason I have tried joining things (Kiwanis) and then being really disappointed when I'm not actually getting very involved in the community through it. But the thing is, I (and I think you, as well) already have a community of people I can talk to, who would (and did) help me move, who would say "HEY, get out of your apartment and do something with other people"...it's just not a community in the most traditional neighborly sense, because all those people are flung all over the state and country. If that helps or makes sense.
I like the alternative gift registry. I'm going to show it to my sister and be like "LOOK! THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN HOUSEWARES." Not that she'd believe me.
I'm also trying to consume less, but it's certainly difficult. Kudos to you and Tim for standing up for your principles.
I really like the New American Dream blogs, and I'm glad I found them again in time to make a little stand? I know you're a radical feminist that doesn't believe in marriage, but where I can challenge the existing power system (in this case, the big box stores), I try. I'll stop defending myself now. <3
Edit: 1) Jealous of you living in the city with SXSW 2) Going to be in town any time soon?
Edited at 2009-04-01 12:45 am (UTC)
No plans for going home until this summer! I stayed here for Spring Break and worked on my thesis proposal... oh, grad school.
And you don't need to defend yourself! I wasn't criticizing, I was applauding! Although Tim makes a valid point too, and one that some of your other commenters made as well - we do live in a society in which caring is shown by the exchange of things. It might make your guests (especially older relatives) feel bad to not give you gifts, because they'll feel like you won't know that they care. In that sense, I think you're doing just the right thing - register for the cutting boards, etc to make the gift-giving easy for those guests who are more traditional, in order to let them celebrate you in the way they know how to and that means something comprehensible to them. And register for alternative, non-material gifts for those who are comfortable expressing their well-wishes for you in a different way. You're standing up for your principles, but not rigidly so.
I'm making parallels in my mind to my thoughts about the balance between standing by principles and not alienating people that you care about in terms of negotiating my own stance on marriage. But that is a very long conversation for another time, as this comment is already very long. :)
And Tim made another point, when we were talking just now -- is that they're things, but once they're given to us, they're our TOOLS. If we use those dinner plates to throw subversive vegan dinner parties and those cookie sheets to bake cookies for Obama's volunteers during the reelection campaign? Conservative relatives can't stop us. We can use those things to live our other values.
Also, I am very up for that long conversation. Another value that should probably go up there is Partnership, which totally means something different than Husband and Wife in today's society. Even if we're having a sacramental marriage.
Of course, I agree with you on restraining consumption and living within our means. I also think that we're going about building our life together in a good way.
For the moment let's consider the purpose of inviting people to our wedding.
Our guests, whether familial or not, are sending us off on our journey toward a shared future. We're bringing them in to celebrate both the union of our lives, and our families. They come because they wish us well.
Think back to Josh and Sara's wedding: they didn't have a registry so we were on our own. We ended up picking the gift we got them because we wanted to show them that we both supported them, and wanted to be involved in their lives as a married couple. That we wanted to have a social life with them.
Our guests wish us the same. They aren't telling us to COMSUME!!!!!! but rather: we would like to be a part of your lives.
Many of the items on our registry deal with kitchen wares. Some of the things suggested by most places are a little frivolous; I don't think we'll be making souffles right out of the gate, but look at what is there. Equipped with our registry, we can prepare for a multi-course dinner party. Sharing a meal with our community.
In my view, the registry isn't so much "Hey give us stuff because we're special!"
It's "please help us celebrate with you *after* we're married!"
As I said before, I agree that we shouldn't consume for the sake of consuming. I think it would serve well to look at the things on our registries not as stuff and potential clutter, but as tools to help us achieve community in our living room. Community in our kitchen.
Community busting out the seams and coming out of the walls.
If the economy collapses, and all hell breaks loose we'll have the tools to contribute to the community. The cutting boards and stand mixer aren't the ends, but means to the end.
Anyway, I know how you feel - because it felt weird getting so much stuff. However, the vast majority of the stuff we registered for was for our kitchen because that kind of IS one of our values - I want to be able to provide for and entertain. I wish I had been able to articulate that as well as you.
Joe and I also registered for LEGOs, fun stuff for camping, etc - and we got it.
And I'll tell you something - even though part of me does rail against materialism, I know Joe and I will cherish the gifts from our registry and work to make them last so we don't have to overconsume. And I still get a little thrill of warmth when I use our tupperware (sorry) or our stainless steel utensil set or our new serving platter - I think of the people who gave them to me and their well wishes.
I really do want to get you something though - I didn't even post my registry online and I got SO MANY gifts from people on Open Diary. People actually went to the trouble of searching for my name at the store we registered at - people I have never met. I was so touched by their kindness and I want to pay it forward somehow.
Anyway...your talk about wanting community and neighbors that talk to each other and the vitality of a home...that actually makes me think of something that maybe I'll send you ;)
But instead of favors, we made a large charity donation to celebrate our wedding, and put little clusters of Jordan Almonds with info about the charity at each place setting (the Jordan Almonds are an Italian tradition my mom really wanted to honor, so I conceded to that).
There are tons of other creative ideas - I also read recently about a couple who had guests bring donations to a food bank instead of gifts.
I think that when I have sons and daughters, I'll encourage them to be even more subversive with their wedding registries. Right now, I'm trying to meet people where they're at. My mom, for example, is not open to some cost cutting measures -- I told her I didn't want a Limo, she went and got one anyway. Those are fights I don't want to fight. (She don't want to walk me down the aisle with my dad. This one really hurts.) We're going to give marigolds in little planters as our gifts -- at least they won't be plastic and emblazoned with our names and the date. They double as centerpieces that way, too.
Thank you for thinking of us. And I really appreciate that you understand where I'm coming from on this. (The early comments had me despairing.)
You know, Joe and I recently had that discussion about plates, of all things. But it occurred to me that there must be way more plates in the world than there are people. Plates don't exactly rot or go bad or get old, etc. Yet, when you get married, you're supposed to get new place settings. And there are always tons of plates in the store. What is happening to all the old plates?
Joe and I didn't get new plates - we used the ones that used to be in our first house, and when my Mom redecorated she got new ones and saved them for me.
I would be so angry at my Mom if she disrespected my wishes and values so blatantly - but you are right in a way to just let that go and pick your battles. I know I did that with my Mom a bit too - although I put my foot down when she raised hell over our music and ceremony structure. She actually went on this huge rant about how it was HER daughter's wedding. Later she blamed it on menopause. But yeah - I went along with her wishes for the Jordan almonds and the cake too...and I'm glad because it wouldn't have been worth fighting over.
Your kids will be awesome. And you know, I don't think the above comments are necessarily WRONG. I don't think it's inherently bad to have a 'traditional' registry because sometimes you do need the 'stuff' and people like giving it. I love the tradition of getting home-making type things. But I do agree with you that we really should take more time to think about where all that stuff is coming from and how much of it we really need, and how much needs to be new, or plastic, or disposable. And I really like the idea of the alternative gifts, and things that encourage community. Like I said, I wish we'd thought about it!
I really love your values goals. Joe and I have never really gone through and done something like that...although I'd like to think our unspoken goals would match. Maybe we should do something like that!
I am also glad that I married somebody who thinks living below your means is a worthy goal. :)